Turgay is Gulen sympathiser but no terrorist, says wife

Ayse Gul Karaman (left) and Hatice Ozcelik, 42, wife of Ismey Ozcelik speak at a press conference in Kuala Lumpur today. – The Malaysian Insight pic by Nazir Sufari, May 6, 2017.

THE wife of a Turkish businessman today knocked back Putrajaya's assertion that he has links to the Islamic State (IS) terrorist group, and defended his support for ideas promoted by Turkish dissident Fetullah Gulen.

Ayse Gul Karaman, 38, said her husband Turgay Karaman subscribed to "the ideas of Gulen, which are love and patience, everything a human being should have, so what is wrong with that?

"He is not a member of the Gulen movement, nor is he a supporter or member of the Islamic State," Ayse told reporters at Publika Shopping Gallery in Kuala Lumpur today.

Turkish newspapers reported that Turgay, Ihsan Aslan and Ismet Ozcelik were ‎abducted by unknown individuals, and noted that Malaysia had extradited sympathisers of Gulen to Turkey.


Turkey's leader Reccip Erdogan has accused the US-based Gulen of organising the July 15 coup.

Following those newspaper reports, Inspector-General of Police Khalid Abu Bakar said all three were in police custody while Home Minister Ahmad Zahid Hamidi said that Tugay and Ihsan were arrested for alleged links to IS.

The first hint of trouble had come on May 3, when Ayse's husband returned home to get his passport. He was accompanied by policemen.

Ayse said she and her husband's lawyer had been denied the opportunity to meet her husband in detention.

"After maghrib, the inspector-general of police called me, (told me) not to worry about my husband as he was in good condition.

"He was very polite. He said the police were just investigating whether he had committed any crime, but he didn't mention what crime."

Ayse said the IGP told her that the police would only let her see her husband after giving her "notice".

"I asked him, when can I see my husband? He said after one week, I said that was too long and I couldn’t trust him.

"I then asked him whether my lawyers could see him. He said within 48 hours, but until now, my lawyers still haven't met him.

Ayse also confirmed that her husband met Prime Minister Najib Razak as reported by the Guardian.

"It is true that my husband has met the prime minister before, but I don't remember the day," she said.

She added that she believes the Malaysian government would do her justice and release her husband soon.

"I don't think they will deport my husband to Turkey; I believe they won't do this; 15 years we have been living here." – May 6, 2017.


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ZAHID MEMALUKAN NAJIB

https://www.themalaysianinsight.com/s/2621

 Zahid Hamidi said Karaman “spreading, influencing, funding” Isis activities

Najib met Turgay Karaman, the Turk detained on Tues over links to ISIS

Najib met Karaman before first trip to Turkey in 2011

Karaman, Ihsan Aslan arrested under SOSMA 

3rd Turk, Ismet Ozcelik arrested on Thurs

photo from Najib-Karaman meeting shows Najib, Rosmah and Karaman

Another shows Karaman interviewing Najib, the Guardian said

Karaman principal of international school 

And here is about the same  report from the British Guardian :

Najib held meeting with Turk who has been detained over links to ISIS
photographs seen by the Guardian have revealed

Najib met Turgay Karaman before official trip to Turkey in 2011

photo shows Najib, wife and Karaman

Karaman arrested accused of extremism

Zahid Hamidi, said Karaman “spreading, influencing, funding” ISIS activities

Karaman principal  of prestigious intnl school 

Confusion around crimes of Karaman

has lived in Malaysia for 14 years

Contradictory statements from M'sian police and govt  
police said Karaman,  Aslan arrested for helping prisoners escape
next day minister of home affairs says they are linked to IS
“It’s disjointed”

govt’s actions full of inconsistencies
terrorism accusations were “bizarre”

Gülen movement said “many participants worldwide, including Karaman and Aslan”.

Karaman’s connection to another man wanted by Ankara
Karaman witness in case of Ismet Özçelik 
Özçelik arrested in KL in Dec for assaulting immigration official 


My comments : Saya nak tanya sedikit soalan kepada Kaum DNA Bahalol yang berkuasa dalam negara kita ini. 

Berapa banyak kah faedah, kebaikan atau apa pun yang berguna yang negara kita dapat meraih hasil daripada kehadiran puak-puak yang bermusuh ini dalam negara kita?

Turki ke, Zakir Naik ke, puak Moro ke, pemisah Thai ke, Arab ke - apakah faedah yang mereka membawa kepada negara kita?

Kalau nak kata kita membantu 'sesaudara islam' pun tidak betul kerana yang bergaduh dengan mereka pun  'sesaudara islam' juga.

Rupanya mereka semua bermusuh kerana politik dan kebencian perkauman. Tidak ada kena-mengena dengan Islam pun.    

Negara kita sekarang seolah menjadi  'stesen bas'  bagi berbagai dan bermacam jenis suku, puak dan kabilah Islam yang bergaduh, bermusuh dan berbunuh di serata dunia.  

Anehnya mereka semua ini tidak minat berlari atau berhijrah ke negara Islam lain seperti Arab Saudi, Pakistan dan Afghanistan. Ataupun Turki.   

Mereka  berkerumun  di  Malaysia  juga.  Serupa lalat  tahi menutupi tahi lembu.  

Dan sekarang kehadiran mereka hanya 

i.    menimbulkan kontroversi sesama kita sendiri
ii.   menarik perhatian musuh-musuh mereka dari luar negara dan  
iii.  membazirkan tenaga dan masa pihak Polis (dan juga wang kita)  

untuk menangani kes-kes mereka melalui surveillance, siasatan, penangkapan, dakwa di mahkamah, tahan dalam penjara dan sebagainya. Semua ini membazirkan wang rakyat kita (taxpayers funds).

Semuanya perbuatan bodoh yang membazir.  Seolah Polis Malaysia tidak mempunyai tugas lain, contohnya menjaga keselamatan warga negara Malaysia.  

Saya hairan kenapa kaum pemerintah kita sebegini bahalol dan bodoh?
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The Best Statement By Tan Sri IGP So Far. Terima Kasih.

First here is the video from The Star:

If the video does not pop up, here is the direct link : http://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2017/05/04/igp-khalid-two-turkish-men-threat-to-malaysia/ 

Here is the news :
IGP: Detained Turkish men 'threat to Malaysia'

two Turkish men arrested Tues threat to national security, said IGP

Khalid say they posed a threat to the country.

"I just want to say this, we Malaysians are a peace loving people.

"We do not welcome foreigners who cause problems for our country.

"We also do not welcome them to come here and bring their problems to our country," Khalid told reporters on Thursday.

Turgay Karaman and Ihsan Aslan arrested on Tues for links to (IS) terror group.

Zahid Hamidi said anti-terrorism unit monitoring communications by the two 
had reason to arrest them under Sosma) 

My comments :  This was the news on Friday.  This is the news about a total of THREE Turkish fellows who have been arrested for ISIS links and/or, maybe  links to the Turkish dissident  Gulen.

So lets look again at what the IGP said :  
"I just want to say this, we Malaysians are a peace loving people.
"We do not welcome foreigners who cause problems for our country.
"We also do not welcome them to come here and bring their problems to our country," Khalid told reporters on Thursday.

Well said Tan Sri IGP.  Very well said.  

Then why do we allow trouble causers like Zakir Naik into the country?

Since his arrival here it has been nothing but trouble and controversy.  

Zakir Naik is from India. In India they have their own problems between Hindus and Muslims. And Zakir Naik is no stranger to fanning hatreds between Hindus and Muslims in India.

Hindus and Muslims in Malaysia have no problems.  In Malaysia there are no problems between Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Buddhists, Taoists, Sikhs and any other religion. We all live in peace.

But since Zakir Naik's arrival here he has been making unnecessary statements about Hinduism and also about Malaysian Hindu leaders like Waythamoorthy - the Chairman of the Hindraf.

This is a carryover from Zakir Naik's problems with Hindus in India. As the IGP has said so clearly:

"We also do not welcome them (foreigners) to come here and bring their problems to our country," Khalid told reporters

Exactly the point.  Zakir Naik only knows how to fight with Hindus, Christians and others in India.  They have their reasons and their arguments. But that is an Indian problem.  It is NOT A MALAYSIAN problem.

Just because Hindus and Muslim fight in India, it does not mean that Hindus and Muslims will fight in Malaysia.  So as the IGP has said,  we do not need Zakir Naik   "to come here and bring their problems to our country" 

This is where I must say the Malay people who run the country  are really kurang peka.  This is a polite way of saying they are stupid.

We bring in all sorts of people into the country without checking how their presence here will affect the social eco-system.

We bring in Rohingyas Muslims and Buddhist Myanmars. In Myanmar both these groups are killing each other. There was a killing spree among Rohingyas and Myanmars somewhere in the north. At last the Police arrested some Rohingyas gang leader who was behind all these murders.  

So when we import these people, we inevitably also import their problems.

I am not saying that we should NOT import foreigners into the country. 

The Indonesians (Muslim or Christian), Filipinos (Christian) the Bangladeshis (Muslim), the Indians (Hindus and Muslim) and the Nepalis (Hindu) are doing wonders for our economy. 

They come here and work at their jobs with passion and dedication. We have little or no problems from the Indons, Filipinos, Banglas, Nepalis and Indians.

But not the case with the Rohingyas and Myanmars.  

Then due to their own historical problems  the Myanmars also have a problem with Indians - who used to monopolise the economy in Myanmar.  There is plenty of racial hatred towards Indians in Myanmar.

So we have had cases at the Pasar Borong in Selayang where Myanmars were fighting and killing our local Indians. 

As the IGP says, the Myanmars and Rohingyas    "come here and bring their problems to our country".

Our people in the gomen are stupid. They do not seem to understand all these simple things.  

Now the Police have arrested the three Turkish guys.  One of them has been a school headmaster here for 14 years !! So how did that happen?   
And they have brought their rubbish into our country - whether it is ISIS, pro Gulen or whatever. 
These are problems that are theirs and theirs only. 
These problems are alien to our country and to our society.  
Why do we allow all these problematic people into our country?


Just because they are Muslims? 
What type of a stupid answer is that?   

Just because someone is Muslim DOES NOT MEAN that they are not trouble causers.

Here I must repeat what I said earlier from the Quran. I really hope all the Malay Muslims read this carefully.


Surah 28 : 15-19


28:015   Once he (Moses) entered the city unexpectedly, without being recognized by the people. He found two men fighting; one was from his people, and the other was from his enemies. The one from his people called on him for help against his enemy. Moses punched him, killing him. He said, "This is the work of the devil; he is a real enemy, and a profound misleader."


28:016  He said, "My Lord, I have wronged my soul. Please forgive me," and He forgave him. He is the Forgiver, Most Merciful.


28:017   He said, "My Lord, in return for Your blessings upon me, I will never be a supporter of the guilty ones."


28:018  In the morning, he was in the city, afraid and watchful. The one who sought his help yesterday, asked for his help again. Moses said to him, "You are really a trouble maker."

28:019  Before he attempted to strike their common enemy, he said, "O Moses, do you want to kill me, as you killed the other man yesterday? Obviously, you wish to be a tyrant on earth; you do not wish to be righteous."

This is the story where Moses was actually tricked by a man from his own clan or tribe into WRONGLY killing another human from their enemy.  

The first day Moses intervened to help his tribesman and killed the other fellow.  Then the next morning Moses went about the place and saw his same tribesman fighting again.  Again his tribesman asked Moses for help to fight the other fellow.  

Only then did Moses realise that his own tribesman was the real culprit. 

Moses said to him, "You are really a trouble maker."

So it does not automatically mean that just because someone is from your own kampong, from your own state, your own tribe, your own race, your own family, your own religion etc that automatically they are the best people in the world.  That automatically they are always in the right.

If you believe like this, you have been really brainswashed by satan. 
Wa antum hizbi syaitan. 
You are from the party of syaitan.

Some of you may think this is racial prejudice, religious prejudice, tribal prejudice, language prejudice etc.

I just call it stupid. 
You must be  gila babi type of stupid. 
Because thats what it is : stupid.
So please stop importing all these trouble causers into our country just because they are "Muslims".  

This is Malaysia.  For  hundreds of years this country has been a cultural mix of Malays, Chinese, Indians, Muslims, Hindus, Christians, Buddhists, Taoists etc. 

The oldest Chinese temple in Malaysia was built in 1645 in Melaka - 372 years ago.

The oldest Church in Malaysia was built in 1710, also in Melaka -  307 years ago.




The oldest still functioning Hindu Temple in Malaysia was built in 1781 - which is 236 years ago.  It is also in Melaka. It is a Chitty Temple.

'The Sri Poyatha Moorthi Temple is the oldest Hindu temple in Malaysia and one of the oldest functioning Hindu temples in Maritime Southeast Asia. Located in Malacca, the temple is one of the few existing Chitty temples in Malaysia. Wikipedia
Year built: 1781'

The Melaka Chitty's are Indian Hindus whose mother tongue is now  Malay. Although Indian the Melaka Chitty's cannot speak any Indian language (Tamil, Telugu, Hindi etc).

Now for all you ignorant Muslims out there, here is another verse from the Quran:

Surah 6:108


which is translated as :

1.  And insult not those whom they worship besides Allah, lest they insult Allah wrongfully without knowledge. Thus We have made fairseeming to each people its own doings; then to their Lord is their return and He shall then inform them of all that they used to do.  (by translator  Hilali-Khan)


2. Abuse not those to whom they pray, apart from God, or they will abuse God in revenge without knowledge. So We have decked out fair to every nation their deeds; then to their Lord they shall return, and He will tell them what they have been doing. (by translator AJ Arberry).

3. Do not curse the idols they set up beside GOD, lest they blaspheme and curse GOD, out of ignorance. We have adorned the works of every group in their eyes. Ultimately, they return to their Lord, then He informs them of everything they had done.  (by translator Khalifa).

The meaning is very clear. Do not be an idiot and go around insulting, abusing, cursing or making fun of other peoples gods, deities, temples, rituals etc.

If you do that, then they will also return the insult to you.

Its called "Tit for tat,  you kill my dog I kill your cat."

Takkan bodoh sangat DNA bahalol sampai tak boleh faham benda-benda simple macam ini pun?

This is what the Quran says in Surah 6:108.

If you dont believe in the Quran then you cannot be a Muslim.
Just go and stand in the kafir line. 

You reject the Quran, you become kafir. 

But long, long before that, kalau awak semua jahil Quran, garenti hidup awak semua akan jadi susah. Susah merana,  gusar, gelap gulita, bodoh dan papa kedana. 

You want proof for what I am saying? 


Err  .  .  .have you heard of the  err .  ..   ..  "Islamic countries" ?